A fair say on copyright reform

A new Facebook group on copyright reform set up. More background can be found here and here.

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#1 Mandelson wants to impose law by decree on filesharing « Amused Cynicism on 11.19.09 at 11:05 pm

[...] Labour MP Tom Watson is also against this illiberal and dangerous proposal. [...]

#2 RobT on 11.20.09 at 11:14 pm

What are you and your party doing about Mandelson then?

#3 Linda peters on 11.21.09 at 11:51 am

Perhaps Tom Watson MP can write/do something more substantial than a facebook group?

#4 Justin on 11.21.09 at 9:16 pm

Peter Mandelson is effectively going to turn the majority of under 30s into criminals. That’s not going to help… the problem is not young people, it is the stubborn music and film industries that need to come up with some modern business models. They need to understand that the world is changing – if they want to carry on making money they need to learn to compete with free…

– Bands could give away albums for free as promotion for the live show and merchandise.
– Films and music could be financed using donation based model where creative people are directly supported by their fans.

There are many other possibilities I’m sure. I wish the business people in the creative industries would actually do their jobs and think of ways to make money in the 21st century rather than lobbying Peter Mandelson to create some ridiculous law so they can carry on as they did before the Internet age.

#5 Alan Moore on 11.22.09 at 11:13 am

Here is a post I have written on Mandleson and copyright law

http://smlxtralarge.com/2009/11/21/mandleson-ethics-culture-commerce-and-copyright-law/

Alan Moore
SMLXL

#6 eric joyce on 11.23.09 at 10:05 pm

There seems to be a general presumption amongst the most new media-literate that the government’s missing a dimension or two in policy area. The government will have to shift. Yet maybe the flip-side is that the same new-media-literate people need to propose how quality content is going to be paid for. Justin’s flags up what’s essentially happening in China with bands; that’s a start, but not necessarily the right model for everyone else. I suppose the main point right now is that HMG has, oddly in a way, applied an outmoded template and – it’s like they’re trying to use the rules of draughts to come up with a decent chess move.

#7 eric joyce on 11.23.09 at 10:06 pm

There seems to be a general presumption amongst the most new- media-literate that the government’s missing a dimension or two in policy area. The government will have to shift. Yet maybe the flip-side is that the same new-media-literate people need to propose how quality content is going to be paid for in future. Justin helpfully flags up what’s essentially happening in China with bands; that’s a start, but not necessarily the right model for everyone else. I suppose the main point right now is that HMG has, oddly in a way, applied an outmoded template – it’s like they’re trying to use the rules of draughts to come up with a decent chess move.

#8 Renegade on 11.23.09 at 10:25 pm

Hi Tom,

You may remember I previously commented about Mr Mandelson’s plans and those falsely accused by various law firms.

Since that comment I and many others responded to the government consultation. Despite the large response getting recognised in the summary, the government response completely fails to mention the evidential requirements or those already stuck in limbo.

I give a more detailed view here: http://beingthreatened.com/btblog/our-response-to-the-government-about-the-p2p-consultation and would be gracious if you could have a read and champion the cause of the already mis-accused.

Renegade

#9 OhBoy on 11.24.09 at 11:34 pm

It’s exactly this kind of naive, ill-informed comment that does this whole debate no good at all.

Before commenting on these things you might want to learn something about the industries you are talking about.

Actually even better, why don’t you go to work for free everyday, I’m sure some how or other you’ll make some money selling badges and t-shirts.

You might also want to read what government actually said in the draft bill, you might learn something, but perhaps that just too much to ask.

#10 RobT on 11.27.09 at 10:50 pm

This isn’t very interactive but I will expect “ohboy” to put the record (see what I did there?) straight…

#11 Rude Adam on 12.02.09 at 5:42 pm

Hmmmn
I am all for maintain privacy rights. But there is no money in the music business!
i dont think it is a simple issue of ‘adapting’. artists are suffering from this. maybe the government should value musicians more, and what they contribute to society such as they do in europe

#12 Rude Adam on 12.02.09 at 5:45 pm

no!
I mean yes! but no but yes but its not even that extreme what the gov are proposing. there needs to be more stringent laws. i agree with oh boy. but mucisians are unvalued still.

#13 david IT tech on 12.06.09 at 5:42 pm

lets give you an overview of this so called DPI kit being installed into our UK core network infrastructure right now… so you can begin to understand the full implications.

in effect you, your family, indeed all your interactions/ data streams are invisibly seen, intercepted, processed and stored by this invisible hardware (commonly referred to as ‘man in the middle’ kit, and those unknown persons that have access to it, seems ripe for Encouraging some backhander wedges to to passed on the QT.

ALL Deep Packet Interception/Inspection hardware Must by it very design and
as its very first act, ‘Intercept’ all of a given broadband data flow Before any other later action it might take.

second, it must ’store’ this data weather temporarily in ram, or permanently on some other storage, to then perform some work on this given data.

thirdly, it must perform the act of ‘processing’ (or as the DPI vendors PR like to rename it, Inspecting/inspected/inspection, as its better PR OC) to produce the intended outcome of a ‘derivative work’ from the input of this core unique personal dataflow.

to justify its installation into any core network to provide useful work, it Must perform at least these 3 key stages, and perhaps an optional 4th stage of permanent storage of the outcome data to be used elsewere.
you understand this and agree?, yes.

from a logical POV, that is also the case.
you understand this and agree, yes?

now from both a UK, And especially current EU directives legal POV as stated many time before elsewhere on-line if your do your due diligence,

Under EU and UK law it doesn’t matter what they do (the UK ISP’s in this case, as your entry as trusted payed for/contracted provider into the WWW,) with the data after they have intercepted and inspected it etc

the very first act of ‘intercepting’ it in the first place without a warrant or prior informed consent from all parties has just broken the existing UK statute under criminal RIPA law.

Really THINK About That….

the Executives that signed off on this DPI use, and the Employees that operate this kit in these conditions are being asked to willfully break the law, and perform a criminal act under RIPA and several other statutes and risk a criminal conviction and real potential jail time
should they be found guilty.

as per the existing criminal executive Stanford RIPA case law.
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/room/view_article.asp?name=../articles/Cliff%20Stanford.htm

hopefully you find this informative and use it to educate and inform others before its to late through inaction..

remember no matter what your position, no matter if your an MP, doctor,writer, housewife or silver surfer that “If you or your family are VM customers, then your communications will also be intercepted and suspect of infringing copyright alongside these others in this witch-hunt ”

does Privateer mandelson consider your family as just one more of several enemy powers he can run over without consideration with his electronic Declaration of war paper…

with his made up Letters of Marque,the Declarations and the Bail bonds after talking with the Russian Oleg and their Telecom’s connections etc..

#14 david IT tech on 12.06.09 at 6:23 pm

as a bit of fun, with a serious side and message, watch this and enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_P4lJD_OPI&feature=player_embedded#
Dan Bull – Dear Mandy [an open letter to Lord Mandelson]

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