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	<title>Comments on: A fair say for Daniel Hannan</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-83106</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He does after all, work, I presume, for the Daily Telegraph&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think so.  Having a blog doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re on the payroll by any means.  I also recall that the Telegraph allows anyone to register for a blog on their platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He does after all, work, I presume, for the Daily Telegraph</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  Having a blog doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re on the payroll by any means.  I also recall that the Telegraph allows anyone to register for a blog on their platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-82240</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not agree with Daniel but you must triumph his example of free speech. I do find it interesting if a person questions the NHS they are seen as anti British and an &#039;eccentric&#039;. 

We have all no doubt used the NHS and benefited from it in some way. I know I have but I must admit the experience could have been better and should be. Even from the peripheral I could see many examples of wasted time and unneeded bureaucracy. The NHS has been bloated to the detriment of the patient; there are more bureaucrats than doctors and nurses. The NHS plunders billions of pounds and yet the waiting lists are longer and my auntie has to lay in the corridor and the wards still needs more nurses. Yes it’s a good thing that the NHS is free at the point of care but why does Hannan get shot down for daring to open a debate on how to make it better?

The main arguments against him are a. millions of people with not be able to get treatment and b. why doesn’t he say it here instead of the US? Well a. he has never said the poor will not be treated he even said of the Singapore model he examples “Nor can it be repeated often enough that Singapore- like every developed country – pays for the healthcare of those citizens who can’t afford it. No one I know wants a system where the poor go untended”.  B- he has been saying it for a long time, he’s written a book about it. No one listens to him because criticising the NHS is treason to pretty much everyone. 

I applaud Tom for his limited defence but I applaud Hannan more because whether you like it or not it’s got an audience.

Oh by the way I have a lot of respect for doctors and nurses but I would them to work in and for me to be cared by a better and more efficient health care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not agree with Daniel but you must triumph his example of free speech. I do find it interesting if a person questions the NHS they are seen as anti British and an &#8216;eccentric&#8217;. </p>
<p>We have all no doubt used the NHS and benefited from it in some way. I know I have but I must admit the experience could have been better and should be. Even from the peripheral I could see many examples of wasted time and unneeded bureaucracy. The NHS has been bloated to the detriment of the patient; there are more bureaucrats than doctors and nurses. The NHS plunders billions of pounds and yet the waiting lists are longer and my auntie has to lay in the corridor and the wards still needs more nurses. Yes it’s a good thing that the NHS is free at the point of care but why does Hannan get shot down for daring to open a debate on how to make it better?</p>
<p>The main arguments against him are a. millions of people with not be able to get treatment and b. why doesn’t he say it here instead of the US? Well a. he has never said the poor will not be treated he even said of the Singapore model he examples “Nor can it be repeated often enough that Singapore- like every developed country – pays for the healthcare of those citizens who can’t afford it. No one I know wants a system where the poor go untended”.  B- he has been saying it for a long time, he’s written a book about it. No one listens to him because criticising the NHS is treason to pretty much everyone. </p>
<p>I applaud Tom for his limited defence but I applaud Hannan more because whether you like it or not it’s got an audience.</p>
<p>Oh by the way I have a lot of respect for doctors and nurses but I would them to work in and for me to be cared by a better and more efficient health care system.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81944</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me or is Dan Hannan&#039;s intonation reminiscent of Tony Blair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it me or is Dan Hannan&#8217;s intonation reminiscent of Tony Blair?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81848</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Live by the media, die by the media...stay out of real politics entirely!

Seemed ideal to me, funny that the only contribution hes made was to put Brown back in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Live by the media, die by the media&#8230;stay out of real politics entirely!</p>
<p>Seemed ideal to me, funny that the only contribution hes made was to put Brown back in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81844</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche !</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81839</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Charlie, no argument from me - but again, I withdraw the comments as Tom chided so nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Charlie, no argument from me &#8211; but again, I withdraw the comments as Tom chided so nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see Dave, you see what you&#039;ve started ;-) 

Be nice dear friends x x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see Dave, you see what you&#8217;ve started <img src='http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Be nice dear friends x x</p>
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		<title>By: Soho Politico</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81792</link>
		<dc:creator>Soho Politico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I don&#039;t think sympathy is merited here Tom - the complaint about unfair treatment is a classic hard-right culture warrior strategy.  Here&#039;s how you do it: (a) make some extreme, fearmongering claims about your opponents or their favoured policies; (b) wait for your opponents to call you out on it; (c) claim that they are trying to silence you because they&#039;re Stalinists/fascists/Nazis/all of the above.  It&#039;s sadly working in America for Palin, Gingrich, Fox News, etc., who are chipping away at the Obamacare proposals a little more day by day.  And Hannan&#039;s taken the strategy to heart. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://sohopolitico.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-stoke-up-culture-wars.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As I&#039;ve been saying on my own blog this week&lt;/A&gt;, the guy is a consummate culture warrior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I don&#8217;t think sympathy is merited here Tom &#8211; the complaint about unfair treatment is a classic hard-right culture warrior strategy.  Here&#8217;s how you do it: (a) make some extreme, fearmongering claims about your opponents or their favoured policies; (b) wait for your opponents to call you out on it; (c) claim that they are trying to silence you because they&#8217;re Stalinists/fascists/Nazis/all of the above.  It&#8217;s sadly working in America for Palin, Gingrich, Fox News, etc., who are chipping away at the Obamacare proposals a little more day by day.  And Hannan&#8217;s taken the strategy to heart. <a HREF="http://sohopolitico.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-stoke-up-culture-wars.html" rel="nofollow">As I&#8217;ve been saying on my own blog this week</a>, the guy is a consummate culture warrior.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81791</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave Semple: &quot;Hannan is a whining self-publicizing maggot the like of which British politics doesn’t need.&quot;

and Peter Mandelson is.......?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Semple: &#8220;Hannan is a whining self-publicizing maggot the like of which British politics doesn’t need.&#8221;</p>
<p>and Peter Mandelson is&#8230;&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/08/a-fair-say-for-daniel-hannan/comment-page-1/#comment-81785</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, fair play, it&#039;s your website, your rules. I apologize.

However, I don&#039;t think I was being any more or less &#039;personal&#039; than you were in the original article. The simple difference is that you were defending Mr. Hannan&#039;s character, (e.g. approving of his &#039;coming out fighting&#039;, or flagging up that he&#039;s held these views for a lot longer than a rather tendentious Press have paid him any heed for)  whereas I am attacking his character. 

Let me outline my points more politely.

While I agree with you that the behaviour of the Press is hardly honourable - as you say, picking one or two stories and then hounding it down - I have no sympathy for Mr. Hannan. He actively seeks to be in the public eye, and I doubt he wished for sympathy the last time he was in so much spotlight. That is, during the episode where he posted a video of him &#039;telling off&#039; Gordon Brown to YouTube, it got millions of views, queue Press interest and Hannan bragging about it on his own blog - on the Telegraph site.

&#039;Fair play&#039; would surely be where we expect that Mr. Hannan takes the good with the bad interest?

Secondly, the behaviour of the Press is tendentious and passing (e.g. why this particular British libertarian, rather than, say, Nigel Farage?) and this makes it appear as though Daniel Hannan has preferred to slink off to the USA to spout his anti-NHS tirade. While he&#039;s not guilty of that charge, on the other hand, this is a very privileged man - of public school and Oxbridge background - who is attacking the core institution of British redistributive politics, which guarantees healthcare for millions who (if America is anything to go by) could not afford the same standard thereof.

That is odious, and is surely deserving of personal comment - in the same way that Daniel Hannan himself implicitly passes personal comment on the seven million people in Britain in poverty through his politics. And his implicit comment is not that the British can pull themselves up by their bootstraps - it is that, those who fail to compete in the marketplace do not deserve the same rights and privileges as those who do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, fair play, it&#8217;s your website, your rules. I apologize.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think I was being any more or less &#8216;personal&#8217; than you were in the original article. The simple difference is that you were defending Mr. Hannan&#8217;s character, (e.g. approving of his &#8216;coming out fighting&#8217;, or flagging up that he&#8217;s held these views for a lot longer than a rather tendentious Press have paid him any heed for)  whereas I am attacking his character. </p>
<p>Let me outline my points more politely.</p>
<p>While I agree with you that the behaviour of the Press is hardly honourable &#8211; as you say, picking one or two stories and then hounding it down &#8211; I have no sympathy for Mr. Hannan. He actively seeks to be in the public eye, and I doubt he wished for sympathy the last time he was in so much spotlight. That is, during the episode where he posted a video of him &#8216;telling off&#8217; Gordon Brown to YouTube, it got millions of views, queue Press interest and Hannan bragging about it on his own blog &#8211; on the Telegraph site.</p>
<p>&#8216;Fair play&#8217; would surely be where we expect that Mr. Hannan takes the good with the bad interest?</p>
<p>Secondly, the behaviour of the Press is tendentious and passing (e.g. why this particular British libertarian, rather than, say, Nigel Farage?) and this makes it appear as though Daniel Hannan has preferred to slink off to the USA to spout his anti-NHS tirade. While he&#8217;s not guilty of that charge, on the other hand, this is a very privileged man &#8211; of public school and Oxbridge background &#8211; who is attacking the core institution of British redistributive politics, which guarantees healthcare for millions who (if America is anything to go by) could not afford the same standard thereof.</p>
<p>That is odious, and is surely deserving of personal comment &#8211; in the same way that Daniel Hannan himself implicitly passes personal comment on the seven million people in Britain in poverty through his politics. And his implicit comment is not that the British can pull themselves up by their bootstraps &#8211; it is that, those who fail to compete in the marketplace do not deserve the same rights and privileges as those who do.</p>
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