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		<title>By: Andrew Walmsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walmsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, we could incentivise entrepreneurs with tax breaks that reward startups.  Say, a reduction in Capital Gains Tax for starting and staying in a company for a period of time?  

Oh no.  We just scrapped that, in an attempt to get at private equity companies who were exploiting this - in doing so, stitched up all the entrepreneurs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, we could incentivise entrepreneurs with tax breaks that reward startups.  Say, a reduction in Capital Gains Tax for starting and staying in a company for a period of time?  </p>
<p>Oh no.  We just scrapped that, in an attempt to get at private equity companies who were exploiting this &#8211; in doing so, stitched up all the entrepreneurs!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t quite believe it has taken me so long to join the debate, but here&#039;s my penny&#039;s worth:

Firstly, I wholeheartedly agree with Jens, but the interesting fact is aside from a few minor differences of opinion, what you find here is that we are all violently agreeing. So why doens&#039;t government listen?

Contrary to what some might think, I actually believe there is a place for business link (just not necessarily in its current format), but it is not THE answer. The fact is there is no one answer. We have to be collaborative. We have to be brave - we have to CHANGE the staus quo. This has to be driven by SME owners and entrepreneurs, not by policy makers in isolation.

The question over how to finance / fund start-ups is clearly not just amount money either. For some businesses £175,000 will go a long way, for others it will only scratch the surface. Why do we need to produce a one size fits all solution? It won&#039;t work.

If a business has the chance of being incerdibly successful, but it can only get £175,000 of funding, you will strangle it at birth. For those businesses that show real merit, there has to be follow on money. Of course they need to meet criteria / targets, but if they do, the necessary money to enable their growth has to be there.

Money alone is not enough. Advice and support, both peer to peer and professional is crucial.

Everyone has commented on the importance of leveraging the experience of successful entrepreneurs for the benefit of new and growing businesses. From my experience, entrepreneurs are one of the most giving group of people - ask and ye shall receive.

But you have to take action. Listening is not enough. As the old saying goes &#039;Money talks, ******** walks&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quite believe it has taken me so long to join the debate, but here&#8217;s my penny&#8217;s worth:</p>
<p>Firstly, I wholeheartedly agree with Jens, but the interesting fact is aside from a few minor differences of opinion, what you find here is that we are all violently agreeing. So why doens&#8217;t government listen?</p>
<p>Contrary to what some might think, I actually believe there is a place for business link (just not necessarily in its current format), but it is not THE answer. The fact is there is no one answer. We have to be collaborative. We have to be brave &#8211; we have to CHANGE the staus quo. This has to be driven by SME owners and entrepreneurs, not by policy makers in isolation.</p>
<p>The question over how to finance / fund start-ups is clearly not just amount money either. For some businesses £175,000 will go a long way, for others it will only scratch the surface. Why do we need to produce a one size fits all solution? It won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>If a business has the chance of being incerdibly successful, but it can only get £175,000 of funding, you will strangle it at birth. For those businesses that show real merit, there has to be follow on money. Of course they need to meet criteria / targets, but if they do, the necessary money to enable their growth has to be there.</p>
<p>Money alone is not enough. Advice and support, both peer to peer and professional is crucial.</p>
<p>Everyone has commented on the importance of leveraging the experience of successful entrepreneurs for the benefit of new and growing businesses. From my experience, entrepreneurs are one of the most giving group of people &#8211; ask and ye shall receive.</p>
<p>But you have to take action. Listening is not enough. As the old saying goes &#8216;Money talks, ******** walks&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Crowds Are No Wiser Than They Ever Have Been &#124; WOWNDADI</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/12/how-does-the-government-support-technology-start-ups-in-a-downturn/comment-page-1/#comment-61273</link>
		<dc:creator>Crowds Are No Wiser Than They Ever Have Been &#124; WOWNDADI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] easily participate in debates (if you are in a start up, you might want to join this one: &#8221;How does the government support technology start-ups in a downturn?&#8221; and the one on TechCrunch UK), and we can read around a topic, rather than taking just one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] easily participate in debates (if you are in a start up, you might want to join this one: &#8221;How does the government support technology start-ups in a downturn?&#8221; and the one on TechCrunch UK), and we can read around a topic, rather than taking just one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ensure a maximum return investments need to be targeted towards ideas that have legs, market tested and to entrepreneurs who are able to deliver or at least recognise they need a help/a partner. 

A local Technology park near me has a big problem!

They managed to attract some fantastic innovations but the scientists and inventors like to do just that! - They do not have the management skills and commercial aspiration to fully realise the business potential - they are emotionally attached to their ideas and therefore unable to sit above the business and see it as a commercial venture.

The park is now full of micro businesses going nowhere which does not provide a good return for the tax payer who subsidises the park - this is a huge missed opportunity. 

Surely a condition when accepting government handouts should be a contractual commitment by the entrepreneur to accept the necessary help to fully realise their companies’ potential - thus benefiting the economy and the tax payer. If the entrepreneur has a problem with making money they can always give it away to charity or other potential entrepreneurs.  

The science park is full of micro businesses going nowhere blocking access to other entrepreneurs who may have better big ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ensure a maximum return investments need to be targeted towards ideas that have legs, market tested and to entrepreneurs who are able to deliver or at least recognise they need a help/a partner. </p>
<p>A local Technology park near me has a big problem!</p>
<p>They managed to attract some fantastic innovations but the scientists and inventors like to do just that! &#8211; They do not have the management skills and commercial aspiration to fully realise the business potential &#8211; they are emotionally attached to their ideas and therefore unable to sit above the business and see it as a commercial venture.</p>
<p>The park is now full of micro businesses going nowhere which does not provide a good return for the tax payer who subsidises the park &#8211; this is a huge missed opportunity. </p>
<p>Surely a condition when accepting government handouts should be a contractual commitment by the entrepreneur to accept the necessary help to fully realise their companies’ potential &#8211; thus benefiting the economy and the tax payer. If the entrepreneur has a problem with making money they can always give it away to charity or other potential entrepreneurs.  </p>
<p>The science park is full of micro businesses going nowhere blocking access to other entrepreneurs who may have better big ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/12/how-does-the-government-support-technology-start-ups-in-a-downturn/comment-page-1/#comment-61217</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same debate is being had over the water. Intersing point about relying on lobbyists to moderate conversations with politicians. Much better to get CEOs and the elected to talk directly says the author. Here here.

http://bostonvcblog.typepad.com/vc/2008/12/the-government-is-here-to-help-mit-vc-conference-panel.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same debate is being had over the water. Intersing point about relying on lobbyists to moderate conversations with politicians. Much better to get CEOs and the elected to talk directly says the author. Here here.</p>
<p><a href="http://bostonvcblog.typepad.com/vc/2008/12/the-government-is-here-to-help-mit-vc-conference-panel.html" rel="nofollow">http://bostonvcblog.typepad.com/vc/2008/12/the-government-is-here-to-help-mit-vc-conference-panel.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/12/how-does-the-government-support-technology-start-ups-in-a-downturn/comment-page-1/#comment-61216</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, but why the hell should this government set up a venture capitalist?  Aren&#039;t we giving fund managers enough in the bail out?  Is this a Labour and Cooperative government or a Labour and Capitalist one?  At worst, the money should be split between Venture Capital and a Common Ownership Fund.

Sadly, I agree with many of the comments above about not rewarding bad Business Link - I tried to get advice from them last month (the Business Support Simplification Programme seems to be killing off other government-funded support) and got pretty much nothing except referrals to people who can&#039;t or won&#039;t advise us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but why the hell should this government set up a venture capitalist?  Aren&#8217;t we giving fund managers enough in the bail out?  Is this a Labour and Cooperative government or a Labour and Capitalist one?  At worst, the money should be split between Venture Capital and a Common Ownership Fund.</p>
<p>Sadly, I agree with many of the comments above about not rewarding bad Business Link &#8211; I tried to get advice from them last month (the Business Support Simplification Programme seems to be killing off other government-funded support) and got pretty much nothing except referrals to people who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t advise us.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for you comments. I think I better meet these NESTA guys to talk about this.

Here&#039;s some other comments from Twitter:

http://twitter.com/danversbaillieu/status/1044949008
http://twitter.com/OllyWhatTalent
http://twitter.com/markashtonb
http://twitter.com/tombeardshaw

The comment &quot;£175K goes a long way these days&quot; is at the forefront of my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for you comments. I think I better meet these NESTA guys to talk about this.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some other comments from Twitter:</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/danversbaillieu/status/1044949008" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/danversbaillieu/status/1044949008</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/OllyWhatTalent" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/OllyWhatTalent</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/markashtonb" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/markashtonb</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/tombeardshaw" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/tombeardshaw</a></p>
<p>The comment &#8220;£175K goes a long way these days&#8221; is at the forefront of my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mike Butcher. If you need millions you can still get it, if the business plan is strong enough. 

The smaller sums will be riskier but support businesses that are finding it most difficult. Small money can help them demonstrate proof of concept which will give the larger financing market the evidence it needs to reduce their risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mike Butcher. If you need millions you can still get it, if the business plan is strong enough. </p>
<p>The smaller sums will be riskier but support businesses that are finding it most difficult. Small money can help them demonstrate proof of concept which will give the larger financing market the evidence it needs to reduce their risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of £175K into a million start-ups is definitely preferable to a million into a few thousand. Although I&#039;d say not just start-ups, but high growth young companies.

My company, and I know of many others in a similar position, is growing very rapidly but this means cash flow is our biggest problem. And its one that in the current climate banks don&#039;t/won&#039;t/can&#039;t help with at affordable rates. Even things like the Small Firms Loan Guarantee Scheme are hampered by the fact you have to go via a &#039;useless&#039; bank to apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of £175K into a million start-ups is definitely preferable to a million into a few thousand. Although I&#8217;d say not just start-ups, but high growth young companies.</p>
<p>My company, and I know of many others in a similar position, is growing very rapidly but this means cash flow is our biggest problem. And its one that in the current climate banks don&#8217;t/won&#8217;t/can&#8217;t help with at affordable rates. Even things like the Small Firms Loan Guarantee Scheme are hampered by the fact you have to go via a &#8216;useless&#8217; bank to apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/12/how-does-the-government-support-technology-start-ups-in-a-downturn/comment-page-1/#comment-61196</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with social tech start ups is the need for big front end investment in technology and community building - some high potential but risky and difficult startups could be at risk due to lack of investment long term enough to ride through the story and build their idea. Start in the social/creative sectors - a bit like C4IP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with social tech start ups is the need for big front end investment in technology and community building &#8211; some high potential but risky and difficult startups could be at risk due to lack of investment long term enough to ride through the story and build their idea. Start in the social/creative sectors &#8211; a bit like C4IP?</p>
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