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	<title>Comments on: Lib Dem MP Sarah Teather and the DNA database</title>
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		<title>By: Vidal</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38363</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it you&#039;ve never seen Gattaca then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it you&#8217;ve never seen Gattaca then?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Holyhead</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38341</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Holyhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone is killed on a bus then there could be 100+ suspects each possibly being awoken in the night because the police urgently need to speak to them. 

Is the pursuit of a suspect sufficient rationale in thes case for impairing the civil liberty of the 99 innocents woken up to the sound and knocking on the door by police?

I am happy only with it being a database for people who have been arrested for an offence, including visitors to the UK. If you don&#039;t wanna get on the database, then don&#039;t get arrested.. 

There is also the issue of security and with government mishandling information and passing this information onto insurance companies for profit..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone is killed on a bus then there could be 100+ suspects each possibly being awoken in the night because the police urgently need to speak to them. </p>
<p>Is the pursuit of a suspect sufficient rationale in thes case for impairing the civil liberty of the 99 innocents woken up to the sound and knocking on the door by police?</p>
<p>I am happy only with it being a database for people who have been arrested for an offence, including visitors to the UK. If you don&#8217;t wanna get on the database, then don&#8217;t get arrested.. </p>
<p>There is also the issue of security and with government mishandling information and passing this information onto insurance companies for profit..</p>
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		<title>By: RobT</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38185</link>
		<dc:creator>RobT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Dave Price been on the sauce?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Dave Price been on the sauce?!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38139</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;1984&#039; was a safer place to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;1984&#8242; was a safer place to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Homfray</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38115</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Homfray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is safety the main issue here We could import our policies from Singapore and no doubt we would all feel a whole lot safer. But is that the sort of regime we want to live in?

freedom inevitably means a reduction of safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is safety the main issue here We could import our policies from Singapore and no doubt we would all feel a whole lot safer. But is that the sort of regime we want to live in?</p>
<p>freedom inevitably means a reduction of safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38107</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the role out do you want 60 million done tomorrow or in six months??

Identifying chunks of people for whom the possession of an ID card will benefit us all (Security) (Controlled Immigration) or in fact them to have the card being first seems perfect sense to me. Spreading out the role out over a number of years so that it is manageable â€“ this is a bad thing?

We have enough criticism of Government IT schemes in the past so that when a phased introduction is suggested that will allow build up of expertise and resources to facilitate seamless larger role outs in the future then the same people complain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the role out do you want 60 million done tomorrow or in six months??</p>
<p>Identifying chunks of people for whom the possession of an ID card will benefit us all (Security) (Controlled Immigration) or in fact them to have the card being first seems perfect sense to me. Spreading out the role out over a number of years so that it is manageable â€“ this is a bad thing?</p>
<p>We have enough criticism of Government IT schemes in the past so that when a phased introduction is suggested that will allow build up of expertise and resources to facilitate seamless larger role outs in the future then the same people complain!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Price</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38106</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First the big lie that the ID card will be a huge database in itself!
This is about biometrics that is this pile of cells at this keyboard really is Dave Price and not an impostor? Once you have tied in those cells to a name you then get passport ID and in turn NI number that is the extent of this data base. At that point the appropriate bodies can check any of the databases that already exist about you your tax, health, finances etc. etc. in the knowledge that they are tying the right data with the right person. So no huge single data base being created just finally a method of proving who you are. So you will be able to leave and enter your country and others with ease and access your own funds and records without having to carry around your passport. Bring it on! My passport is up this year and I want to replace it for ease of use with an ID card, my frustration is that I now have to buy another ten year passport which will not improve my quality and security of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the big lie that the ID card will be a huge database in itself!<br />
This is about biometrics that is this pile of cells at this keyboard really is Dave Price and not an impostor? Once you have tied in those cells to a name you then get passport ID and in turn NI number that is the extent of this data base. At that point the appropriate bodies can check any of the databases that already exist about you your tax, health, finances etc. etc. in the knowledge that they are tying the right data with the right person. So no huge single data base being created just finally a method of proving who you are. So you will be able to leave and enter your country and others with ease and access your own funds and records without having to carry around your passport. Bring it on! My passport is up this year and I want to replace it for ease of use with an ID card, my frustration is that I now have to buy another ten year passport which will not improve my quality and security of life.</p>
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		<title>By: RobT</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38036</link>
		<dc:creator>RobT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First the lie that id cards will make us safer, then the lie that a dna database will make the world a cosy place.

id cards being implemented for students first, by stealth.

Tom, you&#039;re slower than Sarah Teather when it comes to giving your views!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the lie that id cards will make us safer, then the lie that a dna database will make the world a cosy place.</p>
<p>id cards being implemented for students first, by stealth.</p>
<p>Tom, you&#8217;re slower than Sarah Teather when it comes to giving your views!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-38032</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i want to see is people put away, last night I watched a new cop show, the police said while chasing a group down the road in a stolen car, what bother, the bloke or youth was drunk they had his DNA on record, he smashed up a police car drove like an idiot put peoples lives at risk, he had 100 hours of community work Â£100 fine. the owner of the car will have to pay excess on his insurance for more.

Another three people one trying to buy drugs, the other said he tried to kill them with a knife police spend hours and he had four bloody months in jail. A bloke well known to the police banned from driving for ten years three bans, stopped again the officer said why do we bother, banned again, and fined Â£400, and 100 hours community work for driving while banned and driving while drunk. next time he could kill somebody.

The fact is we treat people with kid cloves these people are OK stealing cars driving like lunatics, but one day they will kill is it not the job of judges to stop these people from killing somebody in the future, forget a DNA data base lets get tough on idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i want to see is people put away, last night I watched a new cop show, the police said while chasing a group down the road in a stolen car, what bother, the bloke or youth was drunk they had his DNA on record, he smashed up a police car drove like an idiot put peoples lives at risk, he had 100 hours of community work Â£100 fine. the owner of the car will have to pay excess on his insurance for more.</p>
<p>Another three people one trying to buy drugs, the other said he tried to kill them with a knife police spend hours and he had four bloody months in jail. A bloke well known to the police banned from driving for ten years three bans, stopped again the officer said why do we bother, banned again, and fined Â£400, and 100 hours community work for driving while banned and driving while drunk. next time he could kill somebody.</p>
<p>The fact is we treat people with kid cloves these people are OK stealing cars driving like lunatics, but one day they will kill is it not the job of judges to stop these people from killing somebody in the future, forget a DNA data base lets get tough on idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Elsby</title>
		<link>http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/02/lib-dem-mp-sarah-teather-and-the-dna-database/comment-page-1/#comment-37756</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Elsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, because I believe that &#039;beyond reasobale doubt&#039; dignifies everything I believe about living in a Democracy (not a cricket test, as I would fail it), I reject the case for a National DNA database.

I will put your fingerprints and/or DNA on any murder weapon or scene of crime, at any time you can&#039;t prove your whereabouts. at any time of my choosing (not yours).

I don&#039;t need to ask anybody in Stoke of their views and they don&#039;t need enquire of mine.

Overwhelming majority will decline the invitation (beating)to be included in such a hate-filled construction.

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, because I believe that &#8216;beyond reasobale doubt&#8217; dignifies everything I believe about living in a Democracy (not a cricket test, as I would fail it), I reject the case for a National DNA database.</p>
<p>I will put your fingerprints and/or DNA on any murder weapon or scene of crime, at any time you can&#8217;t prove your whereabouts. at any time of my choosing (not yours).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to ask anybody in Stoke of their views and they don&#8217;t need enquire of mine.</p>
<p>Overwhelming majority will decline the invitation (beating)to be included in such a hate-filled construction.</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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