I don’t have a problem with Bob Wareing being 77. Gerald Kaufman is an excellent constituency MP in Gorton and he is 135. I do have a problem that Wareing was one of the most useless MPs in the PLP. Even if you were a leftie like Bob surely you would want some who was better at promoting links with Serbia or whatever he was famous for.
When in doubt, fall back on ageism!. What about the political principles he lists, every one of which he has been right on and you and new-Labour have been wrong? And the big question remains unanswered by you – just what plotting and manipulation took place in the Party to move Twiggy, a loser in the south-east into a safe Labour seat on Mersyside?
Erm… Didn’t our party recently win a hard-fought battle to pass legislation more than slightly related to dispatching the notion that old people are past it?
I suppose “why don’t you become an independent”, is the modern equivalent of, “why don’t you go back to Russia” that headbangers always used to say when they ran out of sensible arguments.
Not at all. He lost an OMOV ballot of members. He chose to leave over it. You appear to support what he stands for. Under the circumstances it wasn’t an unreasonable question.
In the attachment that you provided at the start of this post, Wareing cited Iraq and tuition fees as part of his critcism of new-Labour policies. He was right to do so. You voted for both of those policies. Who was right, him or you?
But did Bob Wareing speak out against Stock Transfers of all the council housing in Norris Green from 1998 to 2007? Obviously not loud enough for any tenants there to recall it!
Did he speak out loud enough for the tenants on the Norris Green Boot Estate to hear their MP oppose the demolition of their neighbourhood since 1999?
Bob’s been in ‘New’ Labour since its change of name and clear ditching of unions and any theoretical links to socialism with the ditching of clause four in 1995. If he hadn’t been deselected he’d still be loyal to the party of war and privatisation, pay his membership fees and support New Labour’s policies. You can’t pick and choose your own policies agree with X but disagree with Y, ultimately be for and against simultaneously. He’s not made the decision to leave New Labour because he disagrees with their policies, but because he’s been pushed off the Westminister gravytrain.
To stand as an independent means he doesn’t believe in party politics unless they are New Labour, there are socialist parties who would welcome him, but no he is bigger than than the collective policy making of any party now it would seem. He’ll not succeed…
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Here, here – although might we have said the same to you last autumn, Tom?
I don’t have a problem with Bob Wareing being 77. Gerald Kaufman is an excellent constituency MP in Gorton and he is 135. I do have a problem that Wareing was one of the most useless MPs in the PLP. Even if you were a leftie like Bob surely you would want some who was better at promoting links with Serbia or whatever he was famous for.
Stephen Twigg!!! I can understand Bob’s anger.
When in doubt, fall back on ageism!. What about the political principles he lists, every one of which he has been right on and you and new-Labour have been wrong? And the big question remains unanswered by you – just what plotting and manipulation took place in the Party to move Twiggy, a loser in the south-east into a safe Labour seat on Mersyside?
Erm… Didn’t our party recently win a hard-fought battle to pass legislation more than slightly related to dispatching the notion that old people are past it?
Yes and we also stand for dignity in retirement.
As you know John, Labour party members decide who is to represent them at election time. If you share his values, why not join him as an independent?
Tom, I am very suprised you’ve mentioned his age. That is not the point.
Nobody should revel in the fact that a longserving local MP has been deselected and replaced by someone from outside the area.
I suppose “why don’t you become an independent”, is the modern equivalent of, “why don’t you go back to Russia” that headbangers always used to say when they ran out of sensible arguments.
Not at all. He lost an OMOV ballot of members. He chose to leave over it. You appear to support what he stands for. Under the circumstances it wasn’t an unreasonable question.
In the attachment that you provided at the start of this post, Wareing cited Iraq and tuition fees as part of his critcism of new-Labour policies. He was right to do so. You voted for both of those policies. Who was right, him or you?
‘Labour members decide who represents them’???
Unlessw of course you are the leader or deputy leader of the Labour Party or indeed you have an ‘all female shortlist’ imposed upon you.
Thank God for stoke on Trent where we rubbish such discrimination.
Gary
But did Bob Wareing speak out against Stock Transfers of all the council housing in Norris Green from 1998 to 2007? Obviously not loud enough for any tenants there to recall it!
Did he speak out loud enough for the tenants on the Norris Green Boot Estate to hear their MP oppose the demolition of their neighbourhood since 1999?
Bob’s been in ‘New’ Labour since its change of name and clear ditching of unions and any theoretical links to socialism with the ditching of clause four in 1995. If he hadn’t been deselected he’d still be loyal to the party of war and privatisation, pay his membership fees and support New Labour’s policies. You can’t pick and choose your own policies agree with X but disagree with Y, ultimately be for and against simultaneously. He’s not made the decision to leave New Labour because he disagrees with their policies, but because he’s been pushed off the Westminister gravytrain.
To stand as an independent means he doesn’t believe in party politics unless they are New Labour, there are socialist parties who would welcome him, but no he is bigger than than the collective policy making of any party now it would seem. He’ll not succeed…
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